[Itpolicy-np] Internet Outage and ISPs support

Thu Mar 22 08:08:17 GMT 2007

Hello Biplav dai 
                                  For your kind information the forum is made 
to discuss on various issues like this and more we discuss we come up with 
good idea. 

So I dont feel that we are fighting with each other this is just a discussion 
forum and we are here to put up our views. 

Kishor 

On Friday 23 March 2007 02:37, Biplav wrote:
> Dear Kishor, Pawan et' all
>
> LEASE STOP THIS NONESENSE. WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE. IF ISPN has close
> their operation to show solidarity that is their decisoin and if you did
> not agree. Let it be. And we all have known your different view. That's
> all. Please don't think I am only smart and second
> person/company/association did not have head is the biggest mistake people
> made. So let's close this chapter and don't take it personally. Please try
> to understand and respect other's feeling also.
> Have a nice day.
>
> Biplav
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pavan S Shakya" <pavan at wlink.com.np>
> To: <itpolicy-np at lahai.com>
> Cc: <dileep at wlink.com.np>; <excom at ispan.net.np>; <sanjib at mos.com.np>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Itpolicy-np] Internet Outage and ISPs support
>
> > Kishorji,
> >
> > >You are trying to justify by saying that if other are doing bad then why
> > >not me.
> > >Your comments is like covering the bad thing with another bad.
> > >You are saying that if NEA can do leadsheding for 6 hours why not ISPs
> > >shut down the service for 2 hours.
> >
> > I think you misunderstood our version of joining hands in the protest.
> >
> > We did not shutdown for the sake of political issues, neither we shutdown
> > our services to afno khutta ma afai le bancharo hanna.
> >
> > Ke garne, its our misfortune that we are Nepalese and this is our beloved
> > country Nepal. As the saying goes -- if you are in Roman do as Romans do.
> >
> > You and I know things which should not be discussed in this forum.
>
> However,
>
> > I respect and acknowledge your feeling that Internet service must be in
> > operation 24 x 7
> >
> > Thank you for your support.
> >
> > Pavan
> >
> > >On Wednesday 21 March 2007 22:16, Pavan S Shakya wrote:
> > > > >I really appreciate the effort that ISPAN has taken to support the
>
> ongoing
>
> > > > >protest program but this is like rubbing your head when you have a
>
> pain on
>
> > > > >your feet.
> > > >
> > > > ISPAN has shown solidarity to FNCCI and CNI. ISPAN has not shutdown
>
> its
>
> > > > services because we were being victimized.
> > > >
> > > > >Remember one thing while protesting is the protest should attract
> > > > > the attraction of the body that you are trying to catch the
> > > > > attention of
>
> and
>
> > > > >then only it is suppose to be effective. But in the case of ISPAN,
> > > > > by shutting down the internet service you have made the internet
> > > > > users
>
> to
>
> > > > >think of some other alternatives then the ISPs here. As I think the
> > > > >service from NT was not shut down. So I as a internet user will
> > > > > think
>
> to
>
> > > > >have a alternative to go to NT then any of the service provider.
> > > >
> > > > You are absolutely right and there is no doubt about it that people
>
> tend to
>
> > > > go to NT. But if you think of a country at large, you will have
> > > > second thought. We have not shutdown our service completely. Two
> > > > hours does
>
> not
>
> > > > affect a normal customer, unless and until that guy is doing some
>
> other
>
> > > > business.
> > > >
> > > > However, I must say that cyber cafes are suffering. They are already
>
> having
>
> > > > nightmare of load shedding and now this Internet bandh.
> > > >
> > > > >Plus I might not be aware of the issues that has been raised by
>
> ISPAN, so
>
> > > > >it would be great if you could list down the issues raised by ISPAN
>
> in the
>
> > > > >past for the betterment of the ISPs in Nepal.
> > > >
> > > > I will be more than happy to share our grievances in this floor :)
> > > >
> > > > >I feel that ISPAN is also become just like a another political party
>
> which
>
> > > > >organizes the bands and the sufferers are the general people and in
>
> the
>
> > > > >same case with this act of ISPAN the sufferers are the people like
> > > > > us
>
> who
>
> > > > >have been using the internet and deeply depend on it.
> > > >
> > > > No, please do not label us as political party. None of the general
>
> people
>
> > > > are affected by two hour's bandh, except few situation. As I had
>
> stated
>
> > > > earlier, most of them were happy about it. The Kantipur poll shows
> > > > 48% support, but those 52% who did not support ISPAN move had greater
>
> number of
>
> > > > cyber cafe and youths.
> > > >
> > > > >CAn you tell me if Mr Girija Prasad Koirala or Prachanda or Sitaula
>
> or any
>
> > > > >of the person from the government  even got effected by this act of
>
> ISPAN.
>
> > > > >no way.
> > > >
> > > > Absolutely not. They will never get affected either. But it has given
>
> clear
>
> > > > message to them that ISP sector is also being affected by such
>
> activities
>
> > > > and I am glad that our act has also been one of the "tauko dukhais"
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > > >As all of us are aware that what the international community
>
> expressed
>
> > > > >when in the past we said like " In Our Country the internet
>
> connectivity
>
> > > > >is switched off".
> > > > >
> > > > >So now with this act I am sure that ISPAN is sending a message to
> > > > > the Internet users " HEY ALL PLEASE BE PREPARED AS IN THE FUTURE
> > > > > THERE
>
> WILL BE
>
> > > > >NO INTERNET CONNECTION "  coz all the ISPs are going on strike.
> > > >
> > > > Well, we had mixed reaction. Personally everybody supported our move
>
> but
>
> > > > they could not do so through their respective Organization. They were
>
> very
>
> > > > open to say -- we support you personally but we all are abide by the
> > > > contract. And you know those "so called" perfect International
> > > > experts
>
> with
>
> > > > superior complexity :)
> > > >
> > > > Pavan
> > > >
> > > > >On Wednesday 21 March 2007 07:39, Pavan S Shakya wrote:
> > > > > > DOES THE FLOOR THINK WE DID IT POLITICALLY ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am surprised that our move is compared to Gyanendra's move.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is unfortunate that we must shut down our services to protest
>
> for
>
> > > > > > basic human rights, as this is the only language that our
>
> government
>
> > > > > > understands. We have avoided pressure from various groups in the
>
> past
>
> > > > > > to shut down our services in protest. However, this time, the
>
> entire
>
> > > > > > business community in Nepal is going on strike and they want us
> > > > > > to
>
> shut
>
> > > > > > down indefinitely. We were able to convince them of the basic
>
> necessity
>
> > > > > > of telecommunications and get away with only couple of hours
>
> outage. We
>
> > > > > > must show solidarity with the private sector's genuine demands.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With reference to the article from Vinaya Sir and with due
>
> respect, we
>
> > > > > > have been saying that a pen is mightier than a sword. But, does
>
> the
>
> > > > > > floor can guarantee that this proverb is applicable to our
>
> government
>
> > > > > > and that too with twists and turns in political system and
>
> bureaucracy
>
> > > > > > ? The only thing we can do WITH PEN is wait and watch. If the pen
>
> had
>
> > > > > > been mightier in this country (Kantipur case is different and we
>
> all
>
> > > > > > know), we would have been enjoying the full democratic system and
> > > > > > mechanism, where a kamaiya from far western region would visit PM
> > > > > > office without any hesitation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In our case, for instance, we had always raised the issue of ISM
>
> band
>
> > > > > > but had not it been a political pressure, we would not have
>
> enjoyed the
>
> > > > > > free band today. Thanks to Mahabir Dai and Rajendra Poudelji and
>
> the
>
> > > > > > entire team, who managed to get it through politically.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope you all agree that ISPs are the only service industry who
>
> have
>
> > > > > > been very quiet and tolerating every commercial and bureaucratic
> > > > > > pressures for social cause. We have been mute and always acted
> > > > > > gentlemanly whenever we had problems and always sought amicable
> > > > > > solutions through talks and paper works.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But for how long ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An influential political leader was telling me bluntly that if we
>
> had
>
> > > > > > taken the street during Jan Andolan II, our thup dastur issue and
>
> other
>
> > > > > > problems would have been resolved within a minute. We all
>
> supported the
>
> > > > > > movement in our capacity. The only thing we did not do was
>
> shutting
>
> > > > > > down our services in protest and we did not go out on the street
>
> WITH
>
> > > > > > BANNER. He was again blunt to say that they had waived off FM
>
> royalty
>
> > > > > > simply because they helped in pro-democratic movement. If this is
>
> the
>
> > > > > > attitude of the leader who is designing our bhabisya, we have to
>
> act as
>
> > > > > > per his specification of contributing to the democracy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now, going back to the issue :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let's not think individually. If barbaric situation is happening
>
> in the
>
> > > > > > heart of capital city, how can we imagine peaceful Nepal. I am
> > > > > > surprised to know that in six months, almost 50 people were
>
> kidnapped
>
> > > > > > and such facts are surfacing NOW because people were not getting
> > > > > > protection and they have been getting threatens. Now, these
> > > > > > people
>
> feel
>
> > > > > > secure when we joined hands and issues are coming up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do not think I should repeat the word "chanda atanka" here as
>
> you all
>
> > > > > > are very well aware of it. If such trend continues, the only
> > > > > > thing
>
> that
>
> > > > > > surely will happen is that we shutdown our business and handover
>
> all
>
> > > > > > clients to the "semi-government owned" companies and wait for its
>
> share
>
> > > > > > to be floated to the public :(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are very well aware of the ramification we will have in days
> > > > > > to
>
> come
>
> > > > > > but I am glad to share the news that most of our valued customers
>
> have
>
> > > > > > supported our move. Well, handful thinks that if they have paid
>
> for 24
>
> > > > > > x 7 x 365 days service, they should get it and I do not have
>
> answer for
>
> > > > > > that except to convince them on our movement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please comment !
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pavan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 09:38 PM 3/20/2007, Gaurab Raj Upadhaya wrote:
> > > > > > >Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, Prashant Manandhar wrote:
> > > > > > >>Dear all,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>This is the recall situations as feb 2006, i'm totally agreed
>
> with
>
> > > > > > >> Kishor ji's Voice. As you all remembered that the Feb 2006
>
> impacted
>
> > > > > > >> on Internet business of our Local ISP, one of the example is
>
> all UN
>
> > > > > > >> agencies installed their own VSAT network and all network
>
> directly
>
> > > > > > >> connecting through International Provider, not going through
>
> local
>
> > > > > > >> ISP's network.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Also, as somone was saying on a different mailing list. Next
> > > > > > > time
>
> he
>
> > > > > > > will go to buy from Nepal telecom.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >While i don't know how many common people will change providers
>
> over
>
> > > > > > > this, all government agencies not already with NT will move to
>
> them.
>
> > > > > > >Would be interested to know what's NTA's take on this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >thanks
> > > > > > >
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