[Itpolicy-np] Internet Outage and ISPs support

Thu Mar 22 20:52:59 GMT 2007

Dear Kishor, Pawan et' all

LEASE STOP THIS NONESENSE. WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE. IF ISPN has close their
operation to show solidarity that is their decisoin and if you did not
agree. Let it be. And we all have known your different view. That's all.
Please don't think I am only smart and second person/company/association did
not have head is the biggest mistake people made. So let's close this
chapter and don't take it personally. Please try to understand and respect
other's feeling also.
Have a nice day.

Biplav

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pavan S Shakya" <pavan at wlink.com.np>
To: <itpolicy-np at lahai.com>
Cc: <dileep at wlink.com.np>; <excom at ispan.net.np>; <sanjib at mos.com.np>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Itpolicy-np] Internet Outage and ISPs support

> Kishorji,
>
> >You are trying to justify by saying that if other are doing bad then why
> >not me.
> >Your comments is like covering the bad thing with another bad.
> >You are saying that if NEA can do leadsheding for 6 hours why not ISPs
> >shut down the service for 2 hours.
>
> I think you misunderstood our version of joining hands in the protest.
>
> We did not shutdown for the sake of political issues, neither we shutdown
> our services to afno khutta ma afai le bancharo hanna.
>
> Ke garne, its our misfortune that we are Nepalese and this is our beloved
> country Nepal. As the saying goes -- if you are in Roman do as Romans do.
>
> You and I know things which should not be discussed in this forum.
However,
> I respect and acknowledge your feeling that Internet service must be in
> operation 24 x 7
>
> Thank you for your support.
>
> Pavan
>
> >On Wednesday 21 March 2007 22:16, Pavan S Shakya wrote:
> > > >I really appreciate the effort that ISPAN has taken to support the
ongoing
> > > >protest program but this is like rubbing your head when you have a
pain on
> > > >your feet.
> > >
> > > ISPAN has shown solidarity to FNCCI and CNI. ISPAN has not shutdown
its
> > > services because we were being victimized.
> > >
> > > >Remember one thing while protesting is the protest should attract the
> > > >attraction of the body that you are trying to catch the attention of
and
> > > >then only it is suppose to be effective. But in the case of ISPAN, by
> > > >shutting down the internet service you have made the internet users
to
> > > >think of some other alternatives then the ISPs here. As I think the
> > > >service from NT was not shut down. So I as a internet user will think
to
> > > >have a alternative to go to NT then any of the service provider.
> > >
> > > You are absolutely right and there is no doubt about it that people
tend to
> > > go to NT. But if you think of a country at large, you will have second
> > > thought. We have not shutdown our service completely. Two hours does
not
> > > affect a normal customer, unless and until that guy is doing some
other
> > > business.
> > >
> > > However, I must say that cyber cafes are suffering. They are already
having
> > > nightmare of load shedding and now this Internet bandh.
> > >
> > > >Plus I might not be aware of the issues that has been raised by
ISPAN, so
> > > >it would be great if you could list down the issues raised by ISPAN
in the
> > > >past for the betterment of the ISPs in Nepal.
> > >
> > > I will be more than happy to share our grievances in this floor :)
> > >
> > > >I feel that ISPAN is also become just like a another political party
which
> > > >organizes the bands and the sufferers are the general people and in
the
> > > >same case with this act of ISPAN the sufferers are the people like us
who
> > > >have been using the internet and deeply depend on it.
> > >
> > > No, please do not label us as political party. None of the general
people
> > > are affected by two hour's bandh, except few situation. As I had
stated
> > > earlier, most of them were happy about it. The Kantipur poll shows 48%
> > > support, but those 52% who did not support ISPAN move had greater
number of
> > > cyber cafe and youths.
> > >
> > > >CAn you tell me if Mr Girija Prasad Koirala or Prachanda or Sitaula
or any
> > > >of the person from the government  even got effected by this act of
ISPAN.
> > > >no way.
> > >
> > > Absolutely not. They will never get affected either. But it has given
clear
> > > message to them that ISP sector is also being affected by such
activities
> > > and I am glad that our act has also been one of the "tauko dukhais" :)
> > >
> > > >As all of us are aware that what the international community
expressed
> > > >when in the past we said like " In Our Country the internet
connectivity
> > > >is switched off".
> > > >
> > > >So now with this act I am sure that ISPAN is sending a message to the
> > > >Internet users " HEY ALL PLEASE BE PREPARED AS IN THE FUTURE THERE
WILL BE
> > > >NO INTERNET CONNECTION "  coz all the ISPs are going on strike.
> > >
> > > Well, we had mixed reaction. Personally everybody supported our move
but
> > > they could not do so through their respective Organization. They were
very
> > > open to say -- we support you personally but we all are abide by the
> > > contract. And you know those "so called" perfect International experts
with
> > > superior complexity :)
> > >
> > > Pavan
> > >
> > > >On Wednesday 21 March 2007 07:39, Pavan S Shakya wrote:
> > > > > DOES THE FLOOR THINK WE DID IT POLITICALLY ?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am surprised that our move is compared to Gyanendra's move.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is unfortunate that we must shut down our services to protest
for
> > > > > basic human rights, as this is the only language that our
government
> > > > > understands. We have avoided pressure from various groups in the
past
> > > > > to shut down our services in protest. However, this time, the
entire
> > > > > business community in Nepal is going on strike and they want us to
shut
> > > > > down indefinitely. We were able to convince them of the basic
necessity
> > > > > of telecommunications and get away with only couple of hours
outage. We
> > > > > must show solidarity with the private sector's genuine demands.
> > > > >
> > > > > With reference to the article from Vinaya Sir and with due
respect, we
> > > > > have been saying that a pen is mightier than a sword. But, does
the
> > > > > floor can guarantee that this proverb is applicable to our
government
> > > > > and that too with twists and turns in political system and
bureaucracy
> > > > > ? The only thing we can do WITH PEN is wait and watch. If the pen
had
> > > > > been mightier in this country (Kantipur case is different and we
all
> > > > > know), we would have been enjoying the full democratic system and
> > > > > mechanism, where a kamaiya from far western region would visit PM
> > > > > office without any hesitation.
> > > > >
> > > > > In our case, for instance, we had always raised the issue of ISM
band
> > > > > but had not it been a political pressure, we would not have
enjoyed the
> > > > > free band today. Thanks to Mahabir Dai and Rajendra Poudelji and
the
> > > > > entire team, who managed to get it through politically.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope you all agree that ISPs are the only service industry who
have
> > > > > been very quiet and tolerating every commercial and bureaucratic
> > > > > pressures for social cause. We have been mute and always acted
> > > > > gentlemanly whenever we had problems and always sought amicable
> > > > > solutions through talks and paper works.
> > > > >
> > > > > But for how long ?
> > > > >
> > > > > An influential political leader was telling me bluntly that if we
had
> > > > > taken the street during Jan Andolan II, our thup dastur issue and
other
> > > > > problems would have been resolved within a minute. We all
supported the
> > > > > movement in our capacity. The only thing we did not do was
shutting
> > > > > down our services in protest and we did not go out on the street
WITH
> > > > > BANNER. He was again blunt to say that they had waived off FM
royalty
> > > > > simply because they helped in pro-democratic movement. If this is
the
> > > > > attitude of the leader who is designing our bhabisya, we have to
act as
> > > > > per his specification of contributing to the democracy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, going back to the issue :
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's not think individually. If barbaric situation is happening
in the
> > > > > heart of capital city, how can we imagine peaceful Nepal. I am
> > > > > surprised to know that in six months, almost 50 people were
kidnapped
> > > > > and such facts are surfacing NOW because people were not getting
> > > > > protection and they have been getting threatens. Now, these people
feel
> > > > > secure when we joined hands and issues are coming up.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not think I should repeat the word "chanda atanka" here as
you all
> > > > > are very well aware of it. If such trend continues, the only thing
that
> > > > > surely will happen is that we shutdown our business and handover
all
> > > > > clients to the "semi-government owned" companies and wait for its
share
> > > > > to be floated to the public :(
> > > > >
> > > > > We are very well aware of the ramification we will have in days to
come
> > > > > but I am glad to share the news that most of our valued customers
have
> > > > > supported our move. Well, handful thinks that if they have paid
for 24
> > > > > x 7 x 365 days service, they should get it and I do not have
answer for
> > > > > that except to convince them on our movement.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please comment !
> > > > >
> > > > > Pavan
> > > > >
> > > > > At 09:38 PM 3/20/2007, Gaurab Raj Upadhaya wrote:
> > > > > >Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, Prashant Manandhar wrote:
> > > > > >>Dear all,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>This is the recall situations as feb 2006, i'm totally agreed
with
> > > > > >> Kishor ji's Voice. As you all remembered that the Feb 2006
impacted
> > > > > >> on Internet business of our Local ISP, one of the example is
all UN
> > > > > >> agencies installed their own VSAT network and all network
directly
> > > > > >> connecting through International Provider, not going through
local
> > > > > >> ISP's network.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Also, as somone was saying on a different mailing list. Next time
he
> > > > > > will go to buy from Nepal telecom.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >While i don't know how many common people will change providers
over
> > > > > > this, all government agencies not already with NT will move to
them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Would be interested to know what's NTA's take on this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >thanks
> > > > > >
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