[Itpolicy-np] Sorry, the Indian news clip is here.
mahabir at himanchal.org
mahabir at himanchal.org
Sat Jan 27 04:35:50 GMT 2007
Hello All;
Sorry I forgot to paste the link. It is here.
http://mit.gov.in/csc/MediaBrief.asp
Mahabir
> Hello all;
>
> Please look at the news clip as what Indian government is doing. They are
> talking about setting up 100,000 rural community service centers across
> the country for their e-governance plan. Let us not just look at the news
> clip but think.
>
> I have heard that Mr. Kim from Korea is in Kathmandu with 30 million
> dollar support from Korean government. There is contribution from ABD or
> World Bank also. Do you think the e-governance plan that Mr. Kim is
> working on with HLCIT will succeed without building a reliable wireless
> broadband network infrastructure accross the country?
>
> Setting up wireless broadband network across the country is setting up
> information highway in Nepal. It is the duty of Nepal Government to set it
> up or at least take initiative to set it up. After the information highway
> is built up, it is the work of DDCs, VDCs, schools/colleges, private
> businesses and development agencies to expand the network to every corner
> of the country. In other word, once the information highway is built up,
> people will take initiative to bring the ICT to their homes and
> businesses. and will use it the way they would like. The innovativeness
> that Gaurab has mentioned comes after that.
>
> Take an example of many rural roads that VDCs, DDCs, and INGOs have built
> deep into the rural areas adjoining the major highways. They are still
> building the many more roads. If you have not been out of Kathmandu valley
> for quite a long time, please learn that there are many rural roads that
> go to different villages from Prithvi Highway, East West Highway,
> Siddhartha Highway, Arniko Highway etc.
>
> Let us think and work together.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mahabir
>
>
>> I agree with Mahabir dai here. Believing that CDMA will bring in more
>> options is good - but it doesn't give the local users to be
>> innovative and build using newer and more adaptive technologies.
>> Moreover, this brings in 'vendor lock-in' in the form of Nepal
>> Telecom - not very good for the consumers.
>>
>> And, CDMA won't be able to provide the necessary bandwidth, and VSAT
>> are too expensive. NT/other operators can continue to deploy CDMA and
>> other forms of access, but that shouldn't rule out anyone else
>> providing innovative service. RTDF usage shouldn't be tied to certain
>> technologies. For that matter, any kind of policy tied to any
>> specific technology is a bad idea - it hinders innovation.
>>
>> and i guess we have already seen this with the nepal wireless
>> project, but not for the policies but for the way mahabir worked.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2007, at 4:27 AM, mahabir at himanchal.org wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all;
>>>
>>> It is nice to read the recommendations that PS-4 study made. Thank you
>>> Gajendra ji for that. Please comment on my ideas if I am wrong.
>>>
>>> There is no doubt that CDMA will cover a large area of Nepal and will
>>> provide telephone and Internet servise to the people in the rural
>>> areas.
>>> However, CDMA has bandwidth constraint and the 153 kbps Internet
>>> connection is good for browsing only the Internet and send emails.
>>> However, it is not enough for delivering telemedicine and teleteaching
>>> requirements of the rural areas. Telemedicine and teleteaching are the
>>> needs of the rural areas where no doctors and qualified teachers are
>>> available.
>>>
>>> My strong point is that wireless is the only way to bring the medical
>>> doctors living and working in the city hospitals virtually to the
>>> villages. There is no way anybody can force them to go and work in the
>>> remote areas. If we find ways to connect them to the villages through
>>> wireless, there will be many doctors available to serve the rural
>>> areas
>>> people. The same is true with qualified teachers that are needed in
>>> the
>>> rural schools.
>>>
>>> Fiber optics is the best solution to provide the high bandwith
>>> connectivity for telemedicine and teleteaching purpose. However, it
>>> will
>>> not be practical in the Mahabharat and Himalayan region. VSAT is the
>>> easiest solutions, but who can afford the US$3 per kbps bandwidth
>>> charge?
>>>
>>> Therefore Wireless network is the best solution to meet the needs that
>>> CDMA can't not provide.
>>>
>>> Here is one idea. Nepal is about 1,400 km long from East to West.
>>> If we
>>> build relay towers at about a distance of 30 km apart, we will need to
>>> build about 45 relay towers. These towers should be built on the
>>> mountain
>>> ranges right after the Terai belt from where it can cover maximum
>>> areas to
>>> the North and to the South. From those towers, we need to build
>>> towers to
>>> the North at about the same distance. The average distance from
>>> South to
>>> North of Nepal is about 100 KM. That means we need to build three
>>> towers
>>> to cover North to South. That will make about 150 towers in total.
>>>
>>> Now NTC has already built many towers across the country. If we use
>>> their
>>> towers, we won't need to build more than 150 relay towers. Each tower
>>> should be equipped with four to six radios that has 100Mbps to 150
>>> Mbps
>>> transmit power. These radios are available now in the market.
>>>
>>> If we use radios that have over 50 km to 100 km ranges in near line of
>>> sight (NLOS) situation, we won't even need to build 150 towers
>>> across the
>>> country.
>>>
>>> Now comes the VSAT. We can use VSAT in the areas where none of the
>>> technology as mentioned above can reach. Therefore we don't need to
>>> build
>>> 1,700 VSAT stations that the PS - 4 study has recomended.
>>>
>>> The truth is that it will take less than three years to get everything
>>> done. It is not that a hard task to do.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Mahabir Pun
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Mahabirji Khanalji and friends of the discussion group,
>>>>
>>>> May be I can share outcomes of PS-4 study (ICT for rural and
>>>> peri-urban areas of Nepal ) conducted under sector reform from
>>>> project
>>>> by
>>>> MOIC with the World Bank assistance. The recommendations include
>>>> some of
>>>> the
>>>> following:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Recommended Number of PCOs according to primary school
>>>> locations
>>>> in order to have the coverage and access to 98% of the
>>>> populatbeion
>>>> within one hours walk.
>>>> 2. PCO which cannot be commercially established to be supported by
>>>> RTDF
>>>> 3. PCOs include all those areas where NT's CDMA network would
>>>> reach
>>>> (connected to CDMA), the coverage of CDMA would be around 95%
>>>> of the
>>>> population by 2010 or earlier. It looks in the strong interest
>>>> of NT
>>>> to
>>>> have as large as coverage area as possible......to get the maximum
>>>> advantage of price and nature of the network and due to
>>>> prevailing
>>>> peace
>>>> target of 2010 could easily be moved forward to 2008/9
>>>> 4. The areas not covered by CDMA would be covered by VSATs and
>>>> in such
>>>> area one vast terminal at each primary school location basis
>>>> estimated
>>>> number of VSAT terminals would be around 1700 .
>>>> 5. ALL pco terminals ( VSAT or CDMA) not commercial will be
>>>> financed
>>>> by RTDF
>>>> 6. Internet PCO ie terminal equipment like PC and other
>>>> associated
>>>> equipment is also recommended to be financed with RTDF
>>>> 7. in One CDMA transceiver base station - 153 kbps is theoretical
>>>> access rate but throughput o of about144 is acheivable.
>>>> As`Generally expected as soon as there are two simultaneous
>>>> access,
>>>> speed will be half once it is four it will be 1/4 th 8 it
>>>> will 1/8
>>>> th , 16 it will be 1/16th .
>>>> 8. I think this should be ok for initial or even few years down
>>>> the
>>>> road while we are getting hang of using internet in rural areas.
>>>> 9. rates charged by NT CDMA internet - is 1mbyte-for Rs.2.50 and
>>>> bulk charged on monthly basis by NT
>>>> 10. As CDMA is really economic way of providing telecom
>>>> services for
>>>> remote locations except very remote, there is no need to provide
>>>> subsidy to NT from RTDF. Maximum coverage on the economic way is
>>>> win-win situation for NT as well as for user.
>>>> 11. NTA is advised in the report to work with NT for getting
>>>> best
>>>> out of CDMA for the rural area.
>>>>
>>>> So lot of non VSAT solution will emerge. VSAT solution will be
>>>> mainly
>>>> where
>>>> it is not possible to have CDMA. I believe newer version can deliver
>>>> double
>>>> the rate for data but it will have to sacrifice more telephone
>>>> connection.
>>>> Wifi like solutions will be useful when the rates required for
>>>> access is
>>>> quite high and it can economically compete with cheaper
>>>> solutions like
>>>> CDMA in the longer run.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gajendra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/07, Pavan S Shakya <pavan at wlink.com.np> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Rajendraji for your inspiring words which made me
>>>>> remember few
>>>>> lines of a famous rastriya geet :
>>>>>
>>>>> Arka ko bharma bachnu parchha paurakh nahunale
>>>>> Ma ta jhilke afai bachchhu Nepali hunale
>>>>> Sagarmatha mero seer ko topi bhaidinale
>>>>>
>>>>> HAMI NEPALI, HAMRO NEPAL, JAI HOS NEPAL
>>>>>
>>>>> On behalf of ISPAN and myself, I am ready to work shoulder-to-
>>>>> shoulder
>>>>> with
>>>>> Mahabir Dai and ENDR team.
>>>>>
>>>>> Subha bihani
>>>>> Pavan
>>>>>
>>>>> At 07:06 PM 1/24/2007, enrd at wlink.com.np wrote:
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let us work volunterelly for connecting our country by wi-fi.
>>>>>> Let us
>>>>> use
>>>>>> our own money (RTDF) insted of others loan (aruko Var). ENRD is
>>>>>> ready
>>>>> to
>>>>>> work volunterelly for fullfing this mission in reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Rajendra
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/24/2007, "mahabir at himanchal.org" <mahabir at himanchal.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Namaste Biplav ji and Ananda ji;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is certainly a good news. Let me make one thing clear. We don't
>>>>> need
>>>>>>> 100-200 points to put VSAT. VSAT does not need line of sight
>>>>>>> and it
>>>>> can
>>>>> be
>>>>>>> put in 60 district headquaters where there is no broadband
>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>> services available. Then we can extend the Internet connection
>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>> wireless technology.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What we need is about 150 feasible points across Nepal, where
>>>>>>> we can
>>>>> build
>>>>>>> major relay stations, to connect the villages. We might need to
>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>> smaller relay stations to reach to the villages around the
>>>>>>> corners.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I think is the RTDF fund will be about enough to build the
>>>>>>> majot
>>>>>>> relay stations. We can add more relay stations in future as it
>>>>>>> will
>>>>> be
>>>>>>> required. we don't even need foreign governmeent's assistance
>>>>>>> at this
>>>>>>> stage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the relay major relay stations should be connected and should
>>>>> also
>>>>>>> provide broadband Internet connection. Also the health clinic and
>>>>>>> hospitals in remote districts can be connected to bigger
>>>>>>> hospitals in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> cities for telemedicine purpose. The relay station will also be
>>>>> connected
>>>>>>> to schools, VDCs and DDCs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to give an example as how it can done. I have attached a
>>>>> satellite
>>>>>>> map of Makawanpur-Dolkha network plan. Please look at it.
>>>>>>> Makawanpur
>>>>> DDC
>>>>>>> and Kathmandu Model Hospital is planning to set up this network.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The satellite photo will give some ideas as how we can build
>>>>>>> wireless
>>>>>>> network. Right now I am working on making a plan to connect Dolkha
>>>>>>> Hospital and several villages of Makawanpur to Kathmandu Model
>>>>> Hospital
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Bagbazar for telemedicine purpose. The network will also provide
>>>>> Internet
>>>>>>> and telephone connection to the schools and villages of remote
>>>>> Makawanpur
>>>>>>> area. Makawanpur DDC plans for e-governance program as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will be happy to work with ICIMOD team as a volunteer to make
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> networking plan for Nepal. Please let me know if we could work
>>>>> together.
>>>>>>> What I think is it is not that difficult task to bring ICT in the
>>>>> rural
>>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mahabir Pun
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>> I met few guys from ICIMOD Menris yesterday. I have asked could
>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> locate
>>>>>>>> the most feasible(100-200) points where we could stablished VSAT
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> distribute wireless link to other villages with the help of GIS.
>>>>> They
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> ready to do that job voluenterilly. I also met Mr. Govinda Raj
>>>>> Pokharel,
>>>>>>>> ED
>>>>>>>> of Alternate Energy Promotion Center. He is also interested to
>>>>>>>> help
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> develop alternate energy in rural areas. He has said there are
>>>>> plenty
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> reseved fund which could be used in rural Info centers. Let's
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> join
>>>>>>>> hand with this project work together.
>>>>>>>> Besies, Can we initiate a national taskforce for stabilizing
>>>>>>>> rural
>>>>>>>> Tele-center in the leadership of Narayan sir. So that we could
>>>>> start
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> action plan, streamline all the NGO's & INGO efforts in same
>>>>> synergy,
>>>>>>>> suggest the mobilization of RTDF, lobby the tax free for
>>>>>>>> equipment
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> leverage the VSAT liecense fee for rural Info center. CAN is
>>>>>>>> always
>>>>> ready
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> creat forum, logestic support and co-ordinate the formation
>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I always belive 'togethe we CAN' achiev the goal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Biplav Man Singh
>>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>> CAN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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