[Itpolicy-np] The Information Highway that I am proposing

Tue Feb 13 09:12:28 GMT 2007

So time to ROCK 

Kishor 


On Tuesday 13 February 2007 13:44, Pavan S Shakya wrote:
> As Ananda Sir has asked us to come up with concrete plan of action. ITS
> TIME TO ACT !!
>
> Pavan
>
> At 01:26 PM 2/12/2007, Ananda Raj Khanal wrote:
> >Dear All,
> >
> >For Scaling up ICT access in the rural areas of Nepal, the current model
> >developed and implemented by Mr Mahabir Pun is worthy of praise. But some
> >of the following issues are important to be addressed:
> >1. Ownership of the network/services
> >2. Operation and maintenance of the network/services
> >3. Sustainability of the project in the long run
> >
> >I am planning to sign MoUs with different potential organizations who can
> >construct the network and address the issues I have raised. NTA from its
> >WB funding source would like to finance the equipment cost (purchased
> >through a national competitive bidding-)
> >
> >These projects can be multiple and my idea is to have at least one pilot
> >project per development region.
> >
> >Our discussions are limited to just sharing ideas but we have not been
> >able to translate our beautiful ideas into workable projects. Time is just
> >running and I am desperate to do something. Please come up with concrete
> >plan of action.
> >
> >Thanking you for your inputs,
> >
> >Ananda Raj Khanal
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com [mailto:itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com]
> >On Behalf Of Pavan S Shakya
> >Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:45 AM
> >To: itpolicy-np at lahai.com
> >Subject: RE: [Itpolicy-np] The Information Highway that I am proposing
> >
> >Thank you Ananda Sir.
> >
> >Though I have not gone in detail, this document helps us to prepare
> >strategy to build New Nepal. Though it looks like Yearly Plan of the
> >government, the best part of it is that it is time bound.
> >
> >Not that -- hamile 2007 ko anta sammama yo kura garne lakshya liyeka
> > chhaun
> >
> >Pavan
> >
> >At 10:02 AM 2/12/2007, Ananda Raj Khanal wrote:
> > >Dear All,
> > >Please ponder over the contents of the following link in connection with
> > >Mahbir dai's vision.
> > >http://www.dot.gov.in/tender/usotender18jan07/usotender18Jan07.html
> > >http://www.bharatnirman.gov.in/download.pdf
> > >
> > >Hope this is useful for all of us in solidifying our vision of future
> > > New Nepal.
> > >
> > >Ananda
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com
> > > [mailto:itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com] On Behalf Of
> > > mahabir at himanchal.org
> > >Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:50 PM
> > >To: Discussion List for Nepal's IT/Telecom Policies
> > >Subject: Re: [Itpolicy-np] The Information Highway that I am proposing
> > >
> > >Hello All;
> > >
> > >Please correct me if I am wrong on what I am saying.
> > >
> > >The concept of Information Highway is exactly same as building the
> > >black-topped motorable highway. Let me explain it in simple way.
> > >
> > >Mahendra Highway starts from the eastern corner and reaches to the
> > > western end of Nepal. Then there are other highways such as Tribhuvan
> > > Highway, Prithvi Highway, Arniko Highway, Siddhartha Highway etc, etc.
> > > You can say them sub-highways. These highways were built by the
> > > government.
> > >
> > >Then VDCs, DDCs, individuals and others have build many motorable roads
> > >according to their needs and budget that are connected to these national
> > >highways. Most of these motorable roads were built mostly with the
> > >initiative of the villagers.
> > >
> > >We can apply the same principle to build information highway across the
> > >country by using wireless technolgy specially in the mountainous part of
> > >Nepal. In the southern part, they are already working on putting fiber.
> > >The fiber network can be connected to the wireless network whereever it
> > > is possible.
> > >
> > >Nepal is about 1000 km east to west and about 150 km on average north to
> > >south. We can build wireless towers at a distance of 30 km to 40 km in
> > >zigzag manner connecting all the district headquaters and business
> > > centers of Nepal. My very rough guess is that we will need to build
> > > about 150 such towers to cover 70% of Nepal. We can put VSAT in the
> > > areas where accessing those areas with wireless towers is impossible.
> > > The example of such places are Dolpo, Manang and areas on the other
> > > side of the Himalayas.
> > >
> > >The reason I am talking about using wireless for building information
> > >highway is because it is the best and the cheapest way to provide
> > >broadband connectivity to the users in the mountainous areas whoever
> > > they are. The users can be ISPs, hospitals, schools, colleges,
> > > Televisions, FM stations, DDCs, VDCs, businesses and individuals.
> > > Anybody can buy bandwidth and use.
> > >
> > >Take an example of NEA selling their fiber connectivity to the users.
> > > They had built their fiber network in the past for their own use. Now
> > > NEA is selling bandwidth through its fiber to different businesses, and
> > > ISPs at a cost, which is cheaper than it costs through VSAT.
> > >
> > >My last point as why we should use the wireless is that it will be a lot
> > >cheaper to buy bandwidth for anybody. I know many of you know that
> > > buying bandwidth from VSAT operators is about US$3 per kbps per month.
> > > If you buy bandwidth in volume, it will be between$2 and $3. Who can
> > > afford to buy such an expensive bandwidth? Especialy it is beyond the
> > > capacity of smaller businesses. If there is big businesses and
> > > organizations, who can afford to use expensive bandwidth, that is fine.
> > > I am talking about making cheaper bandwidth to the rural people.
> > >
> > >Morever, Gaurab ji has mentioned that we can save a lots of dollars from
> > >going abroad if we connect all the users in Nepal to NPIX (Nepal
> > > Internet Excahnge) system to share the information within Nepal. The
> > > idea is that if we connect all the users in Nepal to the system, the
> > > information that people share within Nepal, don't have to come/go
> > > through the satellite. That way we can save money.
> > >
> > >Let me stop here. We can discuss more on this topic.
> > >
> > >Mahabir
> > >
> > > > Dear Mahabir ji,
> > > > Thank you for your contribution. It is a good idea. I want to be more
> > > > clear
> > > > about the information highway using relay tower. Could you please
> > > > elaborate
> > > > it? Thank you for your cooperation.
> > > > With regards,
> > > > Vinaya Kasajoo
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <mahabir at himanchal.org>
> > > > To: "Discussion List for Nepal's IT/Telecom Policies"
> > > > <itpolicy-np at lahai.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:43 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Itpolicy-np] Utilization of the RTF Fund
> > > >
> > > >> Hello All;
> > > >>
> > > >> My idea is to build information highway across Nepal by using the
> > > >> RTD Fund. I have already told my idea to build relay towers. Then
> > > >> the private
> > > >> businesses can use the highway to expand their businesses. If all of
> >
> >you
> >
> > > >> agree with my idea, we can form a strong team and I will lead the
> > > >> team. Please let me know what you think.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mahabir
> > > >>
> > > >>> Any update on the strong group :)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Pavan
> > > >>>
> > > >>> At 10:30 AM 2/9/2007, Kishor Panth wrote:
> > > >>>>My idea also is like having a strong team of people who can find
> > > >>>> out where
> > > >>>>to strike and get a heavy weight hammer and hit that.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>As it is like the manner you said under whose domain ?? the answer
> > > >>>> is that
> > > >>>>the body like NTA and MOIC should be clear in the job definition
> > > >>>> and there
> > > >>>>area of work.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>So in this as Pavan ji said let make a strong group that includes
> > > >>>> all the
> > > >>>>related sector and form a team who can carry the hammer and strike
> >
> >hard
> >
> > > >>>> on
> > > >>>>the  point when necessary.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Kishor
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>On Friday 09 February 2007 10:04, Pavan S Shakya wrote:
> > > >>>> > "Hitting Hammer" where ?
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > If at NTA, they will say MOIC ma kam hundaichha and its beyond
> > > >>>> > our
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> control.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > NTA is autonomous body and they cannot pressurize MOIC.
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > If at MOIC, whom shall we meet ? Minister ? Secretary ? Joint
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Secretaries ?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > Under Secretaries ? Section Officers ?
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > We definitely like to meet only Minister and Secretary so that
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> things
> > > >>>> be
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > processed on time. Not be made pancha barsiya yojana (five
> > > >>>> > years'
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> plan).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > Where is High Level Media Commission Recommendations ?
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > Where is the OLD Telecomm Act which was designed very well ?
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > Where is the RTDF recommendations ?
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > If at HLCIT, ............... ? Do such issues fall under their
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> domain
> > > >>>> ?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > If at Bikas Samiti, it might be another political decision but
> >
> >again
> >
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > ball will be thrown in MOIC court.
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > WHAT IS HAPPENING TO PC-TO-PC COMMUNICATION ? Who is studying
> > > >>>> > the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> case
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > NTA or MOIC ?
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > AND WE IN THIS FLOOR NEVER KNOW HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE ?
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > MAKE A STRONG TEAM -- ISPAN is ready. ISPAN is ready to visit
> > > >>>> > NTA
> >
> >or
> >
> > > >>>> MOIC
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > everyday and discuss the solutions and problems, unless and
> > > >>>> > until
> >
> >we
> >
> > > >>>> come
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > to the conclusion.
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > Is NTA ready to join the team ? Hummm....its a good question :)
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > Who else is committed ?
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > I PROPOSE TO FORM A PRESSURE GROUP which can "really" pressurize
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> government
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > on ICT development in Nepal.
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > Pavan
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > At 09:49 AM 2/9/2007, Kishor Panth wrote:
> > > >>>> > >Yes I do agree with you Pavan ji  but the thing is that I think
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> that
> > > >>>> we
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > >are not able to hit on the point or we are not hitting that
> > > >>>> > > point.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So
> > > >>>> now
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > >I think with the support from the concern people who support
> > > >>>> > > our
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> idea
> > > >>>> we
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > >should make a strong team who can hit the hammer
> > > >>>> > >
> > > >>>> > >Kishor
> > > >>>> > >
> > > >>>> > >On Friday 09 February 2007 09:30, Pavan S Shakya wrote:
> > > >>>> > > > We are fortunate that NTA has manager like Anand Sir who is
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ready
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > help us in our endeavour. However, the million dollar
> > > >>>> > > > question
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> asked
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > and unasked is what alone can he do !! We all talk nicely
> > > >>>> > > > when
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> we
> > > >>>> meet
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > and meet and meet but in reality, is it happening ?
> > > >>>> > > >
> > > >>>> > > > So, we all need to support him and we all know how Nepal's
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> bureaucracy
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > and political leaders listen to us. If necessary we need to
> >
> >take
> >
> > > >>>> our
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > issues out on the street and............
> > > >>>> > > >
> > > >>>> > > > Regarding RTDF :
> > > >>>> > > >
> > > >>>> > > > 1. If I remember correctly, RTDF Manual has been proposed to
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> MOIC
> > > >>>> in
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > late 2005 and so far nothing concrete has happened.
> > > >>>> > > >
> > > >>>> > > > 2. One of the recommendations they have is to create RTDF
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Management
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > Committee.
> > > >>>> > > >
> > > >>>> > > > 3. I wonder if RTDF fund can be used as venture capital for
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> rural
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > telecomm development.
> > > >>>> > > >
> > > >>>> > > > 4. Such fund must be given back to the service providers who
> > > >>>> > > > is
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ready
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > to go to "real" remote places in Karnali or Mugu or Rolpa or
> > > >>>> > > > Arghakhanchi, where they still do not have road access.
> > > >>>> > > >
> > > >>>> > > > 5. If a service provider wants to expand his services to any
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> remote
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > areas, such organisation must be exempted from paying 2%
> > > >>>> > > > RTDF
> >
> >in
> >
> > > >>>> order
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > to motivate that organisation.
> > > >>>> > > >
> > > >>>> > > > 6. Such fund must be given to NGOs and CBOs who delivers
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> results.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > I am sure we all have plenty of ideas to share on this
> > > >>>> > > > floor.
> > > >>>> > > >
> > > >>>> > > > BUT WHAT IS THE RESULT IF GOVERNMENT IS NOT ACTING TIMELY.
> > > >>>> > > >
> > > >>>> > > > Pavan
> > > >>>> > > >
> > > >>>> > > > At 09:14 AM 2/9/2007, Kishor Panth wrote:
> > > >>>> > > > >Hello all
> > > >>>> > > > >As I have been observing we have been discussing about the
> > > >>>> > > > > RTF
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> that is
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > >there with NTA and I see every one saying that NTA is not
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> utilizing
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > > that fund. And we have been discussing on how the fund can
> > > >>>> > > > > be utilized also but never came up with the concrete ideas
> > > >>>> > > > > on
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> these
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > > matter. Since Anand ji is there at NTA and is supporting
> > > >>>> > > > > our
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ideas on
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > > using the fund I would like to request all the list
> > > >>>> > > > > members
> >
> >to
> >
> > > >>>> come
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > > up with the brilliant idea . So that we can provide some
> >
> >place
> >
> > > >>>> where
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > > the fund can be utilized.
> > > >>>> > > > >
> > > >>>> > > > >So let start floating the ideas, and since we have lot of
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> peoples
> > > >>>> here
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> > > > >with the brilliant ideas.
> > > >>>> > > > >
> > > >>>> > > > >Lets keep the list hot  !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> > > >>>> > > > Hami Nepali, Hamro Nepal, Jai hos Nepal !
> > > >>>> > > > (we are Nepalese, its our Nepal, Hail to Nepal)
> > > >>>> > > >
> > > >>>> > > > Pavan S Shakya
> > > >>>> > > > Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
> > > >>>> > > > President, ISP Association of Nepal
> > > >>>> > > >
> > > >>>> > > > Email : pavan at wlink.com.np
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> > > >>>> > Hami Nepali, Hamro Nepal, Jai hos Nepal !
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> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > Pavan S Shakya
> > > >>>> > Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
> > > >>>> > President, ISP Association of Nepal
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > Email : pavan at wlink.com.np
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> > > >>> (we are Nepalese, its our Nepal, Hail to Nepal)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Pavan S Shakya
> > > >>> Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
> > > >>> President, ISP Association of Nepal
> > > >>>
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> >
> >Pavan S Shakya
> >Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
> >President, ISP Association of Nepal
> >
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>
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