[Itpolicy-np] The Information Highway that I am proposing

[Pavan S Shakya]

As Ananda Sir has asked us to come up with concrete plan of action. ITS 
TIME TO ACT !!

Pavan

At 01:26 PM 2/12/2007, Ananda Raj Khanal wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>For Scaling up ICT access in the rural areas of Nepal, the current model 
>developed and implemented by Mr Mahabir Pun is worthy of praise. But some 
>of the following issues are important to be addressed:
>1. Ownership of the network/services
>2. Operation and maintenance of the network/services
>3. Sustainability of the project in the long run
>
>I am planning to sign MoUs with different potential organizations who can 
>construct the network and address the issues I have raised. NTA from its 
>WB funding source would like to finance the equipment cost (purchased 
>through a national competitive bidding-)
>
>These projects can be multiple and my idea is to have at least one pilot 
>project per development region.
>
>Our discussions are limited to just sharing ideas but we have not been 
>able to translate our beautiful ideas into workable projects. Time is just 
>running and I am desperate to do something. Please come up with concrete 
>plan of action.
>
>Thanking you for your inputs,
>
>Ananda Raj Khanal
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com [mailto:itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com]
>On Behalf Of Pavan S Shakya
>Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:45 AM
>To: itpolicy-np at lahai.com
>Subject: RE: [Itpolicy-np] The Information Highway that I am proposing
>
>Thank you Ananda Sir.
>
>Though I have not gone in detail, this document helps us to prepare
>strategy to build New Nepal. Though it looks like Yearly Plan of the
>government, the best part of it is that it is time bound.
>
>Not that -- hamile 2007 ko anta sammama yo kura garne lakshya liyeka chhaun
>
>Pavan
>
>At 10:02 AM 2/12/2007, Ananda Raj Khanal wrote:
> >Dear All,
> >Please ponder over the contents of the following link in connection with
> >Mahbir dai's vision.
> >http://www.dot.gov.in/tender/usotender18jan07/usotender18Jan07.html
> >http://www.bharatnirman.gov.in/download.pdf
> >
> >Hope this is useful for all of us in solidifying our vision of future New
> >Nepal.
> >
> >Ananda
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com [mailto:itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com]
> >On Behalf Of mahabir at himanchal.org
> >Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:50 PM
> >To: Discussion List for Nepal's IT/Telecom Policies
> >Subject: Re: [Itpolicy-np] The Information Highway that I am proposing
> >
> >Hello All;
> >
> >Please correct me if I am wrong on what I am saying.
> >
> >The concept of Information Highway is exactly same as building the
> >black-topped motorable highway. Let me explain it in simple way.
> >
> >Mahendra Highway starts from the eastern corner and reaches to the western
> >end of Nepal. Then there are other highways such as Tribhuvan Highway,
> >Prithvi Highway, Arniko Highway, Siddhartha Highway etc, etc. You can say
> >them sub-highways. These highways were built by the government.
> >
> >Then VDCs, DDCs, individuals and others have build many motorable roads
> >according to their needs and budget that are connected to these national
> >highways. Most of these motorable roads were built mostly with the
> >initiative of the villagers.
> >
> >We can apply the same principle to build information highway across the
> >country by using wireless technolgy specially in the mountainous part of
> >Nepal. In the southern part, they are already working on putting fiber.
> >The fiber network can be connected to the wireless network whereever it is
> >possible.
> >
> >Nepal is about 1000 km east to west and about 150 km on average north to
> >south. We can build wireless towers at a distance of 30 km to 40 km in
> >zigzag manner connecting all the district headquaters and business centers
> >of Nepal. My very rough guess is that we will need to build about 150 such
> >towers to cover 70% of Nepal. We can put VSAT in the areas where accessing
> >those areas with wireless towers is impossible. The example of such places
> >are Dolpo, Manang and areas on the other side of the Himalayas.
> >
> >The reason I am talking about using wireless for building information
> >highway is because it is the best and the cheapest way to provide
> >broadband connectivity to the users in the mountainous areas whoever they
> >are. The users can be ISPs, hospitals, schools, colleges, Televisions, FM
> >stations, DDCs, VDCs, businesses and individuals. Anybody can buy
> >bandwidth and use.
> >
> >Take an example of NEA selling their fiber connectivity to the users. They
> >had built their fiber network in the past for their own use. Now NEA is
> >selling bandwidth through its fiber to different businesses, and ISPs at a
> >cost, which is cheaper than it costs through VSAT.
> >
> >My last point as why we should use the wireless is that it will be a lot
> >cheaper to buy bandwidth for anybody. I know many of you know that buying
> >bandwidth from VSAT operators is about US$3 per kbps per month. If you buy
> >bandwidth in volume, it will be between$2 and $3. Who can afford to buy
> >such an expensive bandwidth? Especialy it is beyond the capacity of
> >smaller businesses. If there is big businesses and organizations, who can
> >afford to use expensive bandwidth, that is fine. I am talking about making
> >cheaper bandwidth to the rural people.
> >
> >Morever, Gaurab ji has mentioned that we can save a lots of dollars from
> >going abroad if we connect all the users in Nepal to NPIX (Nepal Internet
> >Excahnge) system to share the information within Nepal. The idea is that
> >if we connect all the users in Nepal to the system, the information that
> >people share within Nepal, don't have to come/go through the satellite.
> >That way we can save money.
> >
> >Let me stop here. We can discuss more on this topic.
> >
> >Mahabir
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Dear Mahabir ji,
> > > Thank you for your contribution. It is a good idea. I want to be more
> > > clear
> > > about the information highway using relay tower. Could you please
> > > elaborate
> > > it? Thank you for your cooperation.
> > > With regards,
> > > Vinaya Kasajoo
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <mahabir at himanchal.org>
> > > To: "Discussion List for Nepal's IT/Telecom Policies"
> > > <itpolicy-np at lahai.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Itpolicy-np] Utilization of the RTF Fund
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hello All;
> > >>
> > >> My idea is to build information highway across Nepal by using the RTD
> > >> Fund. I have already told my idea to build relay towers. Then the
> > >> private
> > >> businesses can use the highway to expand their businesses. If all of
>you
> > >> agree with my idea, we can form a strong team and I will lead the team.
> > >> Please let me know what you think.
> > >>
> > >> Mahabir
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Any update on the strong group :)
> > >>>
> > >>> Pavan
> > >>>
> > >>> At 10:30 AM 2/9/2007, Kishor Panth wrote:
> > >>>>My idea also is like having a strong team of people who can find out
> > >>>> where
> > >>>>to strike and get a heavy weight hammer and hit that.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>As it is like the manner you said under whose domain ?? the answer is
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>the body like NTA and MOIC should be clear in the job definition and
> > >>>> there
> > >>>>area of work.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>So in this as Pavan ji said let make a strong group that includes all
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>related sector and form a team who can carry the hammer and strike
>hard
> > >>>> on
> > >>>>the  point when necessary.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Kishor
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>On Friday 09 February 2007 10:04, Pavan S Shakya wrote:
> > >>>> > "Hitting Hammer" where ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > If at NTA, they will say MOIC ma kam hundaichha and its beyond our
> > >>>> control.
> > >>>> > NTA is autonomous body and they cannot pressurize MOIC.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > If at MOIC, whom shall we meet ? Minister ? Secretary ? Joint
> > >>>> Secretaries ?
> > >>>> > Under Secretaries ? Section Officers ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > We definitely like to meet only Minister and Secretary so that
> > >>>> things
> > >>>> be
> > >>>> > processed on time. Not be made pancha barsiya yojana (five years'
> > >>>> plan).
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Where is High Level Media Commission Recommendations ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Where is the OLD Telecomm Act which was designed very well ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Where is the RTDF recommendations ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > If at HLCIT, ............... ? Do such issues fall under their
> > >>>> domain
> > >>>> ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > If at Bikas Samiti, it might be another political decision but
>again
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> > ball will be thrown in MOIC court.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > WHAT IS HAPPENING TO PC-TO-PC COMMUNICATION ? Who is studying the
> > >>>> case
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> > NTA or MOIC ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > AND WE IN THIS FLOOR NEVER KNOW HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > MAKE A STRONG TEAM -- ISPAN is ready. ISPAN is ready to visit NTA
>or
> > >>>> MOIC
> > >>>> > everyday and discuss the solutions and problems, unless and until
>we
> > >>>> come
> > >>>> > to the conclusion.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Is NTA ready to join the team ? Hummm....its a good question :)
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Who else is committed ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > I PROPOSE TO FORM A PRESSURE GROUP which can "really" pressurize
> > >>>> government
> > >>>> > on ICT development in Nepal.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Pavan
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > At 09:49 AM 2/9/2007, Kishor Panth wrote:
> > >>>> > >Yes I do agree with you Pavan ji  but the thing is that I think
> > >>>> that
> > >>>> we
> > >>>> > >are not able to hit on the point or we are not hitting that point.
> > >>>> So
> > >>>> now
> > >>>> > >I think with the support from the concern people who support our
> > >>>> idea
> > >>>> we
> > >>>> > >should make a strong team who can hit the hammer
> > >>>> > >
> > >>>> > >Kishor
> > >>>> > >
> > >>>> > >On Friday 09 February 2007 09:30, Pavan S Shakya wrote:
> > >>>> > > > We are fortunate that NTA has manager like Anand Sir who is
> > >>>> ready
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> > > > help us in our endeavour. However, the million dollar question
> > >>>> asked
> > >>>> > > > and unasked is what alone can he do !! We all talk nicely when
> > >>>> we
> > >>>> meet
> > >>>> > > > and meet and meet but in reality, is it happening ?
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > So, we all need to support him and we all know how Nepal's
> > >>>> bureaucracy
> > >>>> > > > and political leaders listen to us. If necessary we need to
>take
> > >>>> our
> > >>>> > > > issues out on the street and............
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > Regarding RTDF :
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > 1. If I remember correctly, RTDF Manual has been proposed to
> > >>>> MOIC
> > >>>> in
> > >>>> > > > late 2005 and so far nothing concrete has happened.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > 2. One of the recommendations they have is to create RTDF
> > >>>> Management
> > >>>> > > > Committee.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > 3. I wonder if RTDF fund can be used as venture capital for
> > >>>> rural
> > >>>> > > > telecomm development.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > 4. Such fund must be given back to the service providers who is
> > >>>> ready
> > >>>> > > > to go to "real" remote places in Karnali or Mugu or Rolpa or
> > >>>> > > > Arghakhanchi, where they still do not have road access.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > 5. If a service provider wants to expand his services to any
> > >>>> remote
> > >>>> > > > areas, such organisation must be exempted from paying 2% RTDF
>in
> > >>>> order
> > >>>> > > > to motivate that organisation.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > 6. Such fund must be given to NGOs and CBOs who delivers
> > >>>> results.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > I am sure we all have plenty of ideas to share on this floor.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > BUT WHAT IS THE RESULT IF GOVERNMENT IS NOT ACTING TIMELY.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > Pavan
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > At 09:14 AM 2/9/2007, Kishor Panth wrote:
> > >>>> > > > >Hello all
> > >>>> > > > >As I have been observing we have been discussing about the RTF
> > >>>> that is
> > >>>> > > > >there with NTA and I see every one saying that NTA is not
> > >>>> utilizing
> > >>>> > > > > that fund. And we have been discussing on how the fund can be
> > >>>> > > > > utilized also but never came up with the concrete ideas on
> > >>>> these
> > >>>> > > > > matter. Since Anand ji is there at NTA and is supporting our
> > >>>> ideas on
> > >>>> > > > > using the fund I would like to request all the list members
>to
> > >>>> come
> > >>>> > > > > up with the brilliant idea . So that we can provide some
>place
> > >>>> where
> > >>>> > > > > the fund can be utilized.
> > >>>> > > > >
> > >>>> > > > >So let start floating the ideas, and since we have lot of
> > >>>> peoples
> > >>>> here
> > >>>> > > > >with the brilliant ideas.
> > >>>> > > > >
> > >>>> > > > >Lets keep the list hot  !!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >>>> > > > >--
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> > >>>> > > > (we are Nepalese, its our Nepal, Hail to Nepal)
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > Pavan S Shakya
> > >>>> > > > Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
> > >>>> > > > President, ISP Association of Nepal
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > Email : pavan at wlink.com.np
> > >>>> > > > Phone : +977 1 5523050 Ext. 229
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> > >>>> > Hami Nepali, Hamro Nepal, Jai hos Nepal !
> > >>>> > (we are Nepalese, its our Nepal, Hail to Nepal)
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Pavan S Shakya
> > >>>> > Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
> > >>>> > President, ISP Association of Nepal
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Email : pavan at wlink.com.np
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> > >>> Hami Nepali, Hamro Nepal, Jai hos Nepal !
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> > >>>
> > >>> Pavan S Shakya
> > >>> Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
> > >>> President, ISP Association of Nepal
> > >>>
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>Pavan S Shakya
>Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
>President, ISP Association of Nepal
>
>Email : pavan at wlink.com.np
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Pavan S Shakya
Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
President, ISP Association of Nepal

Email : pavan at wlink.com.np
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