[Itpolicy-np] Look at the news clip/ CDMA vs. Wireless. Broadban
mahabir at himanchal.org
mahabir at himanchal.org
Sat Jan 27 04:09:11 GMT 2007
Hello all;
Please look at the news clip as what Indian government is doing. They are
talking about setting up 100,000 rural community service centers across
the country for their e-governance plan. Let us not just look at the news
clip but think.
I have heard that Mr. Kim from Korea is in Kathmandu with 30 million
dollar support from Korean government. There is contribution from ABD or
World Bank also. Do you think the e-governance plan that Mr. Kim is
working on with HLCIT will succeed without building a reliable wireless
broadband network infrastructure accross the country?
Setting up wireless broadband network across the country is setting up
information highway in Nepal. It is the duty of Nepal Government to set it
up or at least take initiative to set it up. After the information highway
is built up, it is the work of DDCs, VDCs, schools/colleges, private
businesses and development agencies to expand the network to every corner
of the country. In other word, once the information highway is built up,
people will take initiative to bring the ICT to their homes and
businesses. and will use it the way they would like. The innovativeness
that Gaurab has mentioned comes after that.
Take an example of many rural roads that VDCs, DDCs, and INGOs have built
deep into the rural areas adjoining the major highways. They are still
building the many more roads. If you have not been out of Kathmandu valley
for quite a long time, please learn that there are many rural roads that
go to different villages from Prithvi Highway, East West Highway,
Siddhartha Highway, Arniko Highway etc.
Let us think and work together.
Thanks.
Mahabir
> I agree with Mahabir dai here. Believing that CDMA will bring in more
> options is good - but it doesn't give the local users to be
> innovative and build using newer and more adaptive technologies.
> Moreover, this brings in 'vendor lock-in' in the form of Nepal
> Telecom - not very good for the consumers.
>
> And, CDMA won't be able to provide the necessary bandwidth, and VSAT
> are too expensive. NT/other operators can continue to deploy CDMA and
> other forms of access, but that shouldn't rule out anyone else
> providing innovative service. RTDF usage shouldn't be tied to certain
> technologies. For that matter, any kind of policy tied to any
> specific technology is a bad idea - it hinders innovation.
>
> and i guess we have already seen this with the nepal wireless
> project, but not for the policies but for the way mahabir worked.
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2007, at 4:27 AM, mahabir at himanchal.org wrote:
>
>> Hello all;
>>
>> It is nice to read the recommendations that PS-4 study made. Thank you
>> Gajendra ji for that. Please comment on my ideas if I am wrong.
>>
>> There is no doubt that CDMA will cover a large area of Nepal and will
>> provide telephone and Internet servise to the people in the rural
>> areas.
>> However, CDMA has bandwidth constraint and the 153 kbps Internet
>> connection is good for browsing only the Internet and send emails.
>> However, it is not enough for delivering telemedicine and teleteaching
>> requirements of the rural areas. Telemedicine and teleteaching are the
>> needs of the rural areas where no doctors and qualified teachers are
>> available.
>>
>> My strong point is that wireless is the only way to bring the medical
>> doctors living and working in the city hospitals virtually to the
>> villages. There is no way anybody can force them to go and work in the
>> remote areas. If we find ways to connect them to the villages through
>> wireless, there will be many doctors available to serve the rural
>> areas
>> people. The same is true with qualified teachers that are needed in
>> the
>> rural schools.
>>
>> Fiber optics is the best solution to provide the high bandwith
>> connectivity for telemedicine and teleteaching purpose. However, it
>> will
>> not be practical in the Mahabharat and Himalayan region. VSAT is the
>> easiest solutions, but who can afford the US$3 per kbps bandwidth
>> charge?
>>
>> Therefore Wireless network is the best solution to meet the needs that
>> CDMA can't not provide.
>>
>> Here is one idea. Nepal is about 1,400 km long from East to West.
>> If we
>> build relay towers at about a distance of 30 km apart, we will need to
>> build about 45 relay towers. These towers should be built on the
>> mountain
>> ranges right after the Terai belt from where it can cover maximum
>> areas to
>> the North and to the South. From those towers, we need to build
>> towers to
>> the North at about the same distance. The average distance from
>> South to
>> North of Nepal is about 100 KM. That means we need to build three
>> towers
>> to cover North to South. That will make about 150 towers in total.
>>
>> Now NTC has already built many towers across the country. If we use
>> their
>> towers, we won't need to build more than 150 relay towers. Each tower
>> should be equipped with four to six radios that has 100Mbps to 150
>> Mbps
>> transmit power. These radios are available now in the market.
>>
>> If we use radios that have over 50 km to 100 km ranges in near line of
>> sight (NLOS) situation, we won't even need to build 150 towers
>> across the
>> country.
>>
>> Now comes the VSAT. We can use VSAT in the areas where none of the
>> technology as mentioned above can reach. Therefore we don't need to
>> build
>> 1,700 VSAT stations that the PS - 4 study has recomended.
>>
>> The truth is that it will take less than three years to get everything
>> done. It is not that a hard task to do.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Mahabir Pun
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dear Mahabirji Khanalji and friends of the discussion group,
>>>
>>> May be I can share outcomes of PS-4 study (ICT for rural and
>>> peri-urban areas of Nepal ) conducted under sector reform from
>>> project
>>> by
>>> MOIC with the World Bank assistance. The recommendations include
>>> some of
>>> the
>>> following:
>>>
>>> 1. Recommended Number of PCOs according to primary school
>>> locations
>>> in order to have the coverage and access to 98% of the
>>> populatbeion
>>> within one hours walk.
>>> 2. PCO which cannot be commercially established to be supported by
>>> RTDF
>>> 3. PCOs include all those areas where NT's CDMA network would
>>> reach
>>> (connected to CDMA), the coverage of CDMA would be around 95%
>>> of the
>>> population by 2010 or earlier. It looks in the strong interest
>>> of NT
>>> to
>>> have as large as coverage area as possible......to get the maximum
>>> advantage of price and nature of the network and due to
>>> prevailing
>>> peace
>>> target of 2010 could easily be moved forward to 2008/9
>>> 4. The areas not covered by CDMA would be covered by VSATs and
>>> in such
>>> area one vast terminal at each primary school location basis
>>> estimated
>>> number of VSAT terminals would be around 1700 .
>>> 5. ALL pco terminals ( VSAT or CDMA) not commercial will be
>>> financed
>>> by RTDF
>>> 6. Internet PCO ie terminal equipment like PC and other
>>> associated
>>> equipment is also recommended to be financed with RTDF
>>> 7. in One CDMA transceiver base station - 153 kbps is theoretical
>>> access rate but throughput o of about144 is acheivable.
>>> As`Generally expected as soon as there are two simultaneous
>>> access,
>>> speed will be half once it is four it will be 1/4 th 8 it
>>> will 1/8
>>> th , 16 it will be 1/16th .
>>> 8. I think this should be ok for initial or even few years down
>>> the
>>> road while we are getting hang of using internet in rural areas.
>>> 9. rates charged by NT CDMA internet - is 1mbyte-for Rs.2.50 and
>>> bulk charged on monthly basis by NT
>>> 10. As CDMA is really economic way of providing telecom
>>> services for
>>> remote locations except very remote, there is no need to provide
>>> subsidy to NT from RTDF. Maximum coverage on the economic way is
>>> win-win situation for NT as well as for user.
>>> 11. NTA is advised in the report to work with NT for getting
>>> best
>>> out of CDMA for the rural area.
>>>
>>> So lot of non VSAT solution will emerge. VSAT solution will be
>>> mainly
>>> where
>>> it is not possible to have CDMA. I believe newer version can deliver
>>> double
>>> the rate for data but it will have to sacrifice more telephone
>>> connection.
>>> Wifi like solutions will be useful when the rates required for
>>> access is
>>> quite high and it can economically compete with cheaper
>>> solutions like
>>> CDMA in the longer run.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gajendra
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/25/07, Pavan S Shakya <pavan at wlink.com.np> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Rajendraji for your inspiring words which made me
>>>> remember few
>>>> lines of a famous rastriya geet :
>>>>
>>>> Arka ko bharma bachnu parchha paurakh nahunale
>>>> Ma ta jhilke afai bachchhu Nepali hunale
>>>> Sagarmatha mero seer ko topi bhaidinale
>>>>
>>>> HAMI NEPALI, HAMRO NEPAL, JAI HOS NEPAL
>>>>
>>>> On behalf of ISPAN and myself, I am ready to work shoulder-to-
>>>> shoulder
>>>> with
>>>> Mahabir Dai and ENDR team.
>>>>
>>>> Subha bihani
>>>> Pavan
>>>>
>>>> At 07:06 PM 1/24/2007, enrd at wlink.com.np wrote:
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Let us work volunterelly for connecting our country by wi-fi.
>>>>> Let us
>>>> use
>>>>> our own money (RTDF) insted of others loan (aruko Var). ENRD is
>>>>> ready
>>>> to
>>>>> work volunterelly for fullfing this mission in reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Rajendra
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/24/2007, "mahabir at himanchal.org" <mahabir at himanchal.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Namaste Biplav ji and Ananda ji;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is certainly a good news. Let me make one thing clear. We don't
>>>> need
>>>>>> 100-200 points to put VSAT. VSAT does not need line of sight
>>>>>> and it
>>>> can
>>>> be
>>>>>> put in 60 district headquaters where there is no broadband
>>>>>> internet
>>>>>> services available. Then we can extend the Internet connection
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> wireless technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What we need is about 150 feasible points across Nepal, where
>>>>>> we can
>>>> build
>>>>>> major relay stations, to connect the villages. We might need to
>>>>>> build
>>>>>> smaller relay stations to reach to the villages around the
>>>>>> corners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I think is the RTDF fund will be about enough to build the
>>>>>> majot
>>>>>> relay stations. We can add more relay stations in future as it
>>>>>> will
>>>> be
>>>>>> required. we don't even need foreign governmeent's assistance
>>>>>> at this
>>>>>> stage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the relay major relay stations should be connected and should
>>>> also
>>>>>> provide broadband Internet connection. Also the health clinic and
>>>>>> hospitals in remote districts can be connected to bigger
>>>>>> hospitals in
>>>> the
>>>>>> cities for telemedicine purpose. The relay station will also be
>>>> connected
>>>>>> to schools, VDCs and DDCs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to give an example as how it can done. I have attached a
>>>> satellite
>>>>>> map of Makawanpur-Dolkha network plan. Please look at it.
>>>>>> Makawanpur
>>>> DDC
>>>>>> and Kathmandu Model Hospital is planning to set up this network.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The satellite photo will give some ideas as how we can build
>>>>>> wireless
>>>>>> network. Right now I am working on making a plan to connect Dolkha
>>>>>> Hospital and several villages of Makawanpur to Kathmandu Model
>>>> Hospital
>>>> in
>>>>>> Bagbazar for telemedicine purpose. The network will also provide
>>>> Internet
>>>>>> and telephone connection to the schools and villages of remote
>>>> Makawanpur
>>>>>> area. Makawanpur DDC plans for e-governance program as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will be happy to work with ICIMOD team as a volunteer to make
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> networking plan for Nepal. Please let me know if we could work
>>>> together.
>>>>>> What I think is it is not that difficult task to bring ICT in the
>>>> rural
>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mahabir Pun
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>> I met few guys from ICIMOD Menris yesterday. I have asked could
>>>> they
>>>>>>> locate
>>>>>>> the most feasible(100-200) points where we could stablished VSAT
>>>> and
>>>>>>> distribute wireless link to other villages with the help of GIS.
>>>> They
>>>> are
>>>>>>> ready to do that job voluenterilly. I also met Mr. Govinda Raj
>>>> Pokharel,
>>>>>>> ED
>>>>>>> of Alternate Energy Promotion Center. He is also interested to
>>>>>>> help
>>>> to
>>>>>>> develop alternate energy in rural areas. He has said there are
>>>> plenty
>>>> of
>>>>>>> reseved fund which could be used in rural Info centers. Let's
>>>>>>> think
>>>> of
>>>>>>> join
>>>>>>> hand with this project work together.
>>>>>>> Besies, Can we initiate a national taskforce for stabilizing
>>>>>>> rural
>>>>>>> Tele-center in the leadership of Narayan sir. So that we could
>>>> start
>>>> the
>>>>>>> action plan, streamline all the NGO's & INGO efforts in same
>>>> synergy,
>>>>>>> suggest the mobilization of RTDF, lobby the tax free for
>>>>>>> equipment
>>>> and
>>>>>>> leverage the VSAT liecense fee for rural Info center. CAN is
>>>>>>> always
>>>> ready
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> creat forum, logestic support and co-ordinate the formation
>>>> process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I always belive 'togethe we CAN' achiev the goal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Biplav Man Singh
>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>> CAN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> President, ISP Association of Nepal
>>>>
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