[Itpolicy-np] The Information Highway that I am proposing

Bijay K Roy bkroy at nta.gov.np
Wed Feb 14 05:20:16 GMT 2007 

We want to have discussion with stakeholders really interested in rural ICT 
development and working at grass root level and have expereince in rural ICT 
so that we can develop a model for implementaion.

Could anybody provide us the list of such orgnizationizations in addition to 
few that we already know like RUPP, DLGSP, COPPADES etc.

Bijay Kumar Roy
NTA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ananda Raj Khanal" <arkhanal at nta.gov.np>
To: "'Discussion List for Nepal's IT/Telecom Policies'" 
<itpolicy-np at lahai.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Itpolicy-np] The Information Highway that I am proposing


> Can we develop a business model for the long term sustainability of rural
> ICT projects:
>
> Public Private partnership model
> A cooperative body is responsible for the operation
> Training and capital subsidy on a shared basis for example ( 60/40 0r 
> 80/20
> whatever ) will be provided by the NTA or a national agency for the
> promotion of ICT having fund
> Maintenance and regular technical input will be provided by ??????
>
> NTA can give a long term loan ( may be free of at lowest rate or free of
> interest - time bound say 20 years ) for a private or cooperative body to
> establish and operate the ICT services ???
> Let us explore the possibility so that the body responsible for the
> establishment and operation and maintenance feels and takes the OWNERSHIP.
> Can we develop a model and give the proposal to NTA for the disbursement 
> of
> RTDF and other sources for Telecom Infrastructure and ICT expansion
> addressing so many issues we are raising????
>
> A challenge for all of us.
>
> Let us not talk let us talk something that is implementable
>
>
> Ananda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com [mailto:itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com]
> On Behalf Of Pavan S Shakya
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:44 PM
> To: itpolicy-np at lahai.com
> Subject: RE: [Itpolicy-np] The Information Highway that I am proposing
>
> As Ananda Sir has asked us to come up with concrete plan of action. ITS
> TIME TO ACT !!
>
> Pavan
>
> At 01:26 PM 2/12/2007, Ananda Raj Khanal wrote:
>>Dear All,
>>
>>For Scaling up ICT access in the rural areas of Nepal, the current model
>>developed and implemented by Mr Mahabir Pun is worthy of praise. But some
>>of the following issues are important to be addressed:
>>1. Ownership of the network/services
>>2. Operation and maintenance of the network/services
>>3. Sustainability of the project in the long run
>>
>>I am planning to sign MoUs with different potential organizations who can
>>construct the network and address the issues I have raised. NTA from its
>>WB funding source would like to finance the equipment cost (purchased
>>through a national competitive bidding-)
>>
>>These projects can be multiple and my idea is to have at least one pilot
>>project per development region.
>>
>>Our discussions are limited to just sharing ideas but we have not been
>>able to translate our beautiful ideas into workable projects. Time is just
>>running and I am desperate to do something. Please come up with concrete
>>plan of action.
>>
>>Thanking you for your inputs,
>>
>>Ananda Raj Khanal
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com [mailto:itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com]
>>On Behalf Of Pavan S Shakya
>>Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:45 AM
>>To: itpolicy-np at lahai.com
>>Subject: RE: [Itpolicy-np] The Information Highway that I am proposing
>>
>>Thank you Ananda Sir.
>>
>>Though I have not gone in detail, this document helps us to prepare
>>strategy to build New Nepal. Though it looks like Yearly Plan of the
>>government, the best part of it is that it is time bound.
>>
>>Not that -- hamile 2007 ko anta sammama yo kura garne lakshya liyeka 
>>chhaun
>>
>>Pavan
>>
>>At 10:02 AM 2/12/2007, Ananda Raj Khanal wrote:
>> >Dear All,
>> >Please ponder over the contents of the following link in connection with
>> >Mahbir dai's vision.
>> >http://www.dot.gov.in/tender/usotender18jan07/usotender18Jan07.html
>> >http://www.bharatnirman.gov.in/download.pdf
>> >
>> >Hope this is useful for all of us in solidifying our vision of future 
>> >New
>> >Nepal.
>> >
>> >Ananda
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com
> [mailto:itpolicy-np-bounces at lahai.com]
>> >On Behalf Of mahabir at himanchal.org
>> >Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:50 PM
>> >To: Discussion List for Nepal's IT/Telecom Policies
>> >Subject: Re: [Itpolicy-np] The Information Highway that I am proposing
>> >
>> >Hello All;
>> >
>> >Please correct me if I am wrong on what I am saying.
>> >
>> >The concept of Information Highway is exactly same as building the
>> >black-topped motorable highway. Let me explain it in simple way.
>> >
>> >Mahendra Highway starts from the eastern corner and reaches to the
> western
>> >end of Nepal. Then there are other highways such as Tribhuvan Highway,
>> >Prithvi Highway, Arniko Highway, Siddhartha Highway etc, etc. You can 
>> >say
>> >them sub-highways. These highways were built by the government.
>> >
>> >Then VDCs, DDCs, individuals and others have build many motorable roads
>> >according to their needs and budget that are connected to these national
>> >highways. Most of these motorable roads were built mostly with the
>> >initiative of the villagers.
>> >
>> >We can apply the same principle to build information highway across the
>> >country by using wireless technolgy specially in the mountainous part of
>> >Nepal. In the southern part, they are already working on putting fiber.
>> >The fiber network can be connected to the wireless network whereever it
> is
>> >possible.
>> >
>> >Nepal is about 1000 km east to west and about 150 km on average north to
>> >south. We can build wireless towers at a distance of 30 km to 40 km in
>> >zigzag manner connecting all the district headquaters and business
> centers
>> >of Nepal. My very rough guess is that we will need to build about 150
> such
>> >towers to cover 70% of Nepal. We can put VSAT in the areas where
> accessing
>> >those areas with wireless towers is impossible. The example of such
> places
>> >are Dolpo, Manang and areas on the other side of the Himalayas.
>> >
>> >The reason I am talking about using wireless for building information
>> >highway is because it is the best and the cheapest way to provide
>> >broadband connectivity to the users in the mountainous areas whoever 
>> >they
>> >are. The users can be ISPs, hospitals, schools, colleges, Televisions, 
>> >FM
>> >stations, DDCs, VDCs, businesses and individuals. Anybody can buy
>> >bandwidth and use.
>> >
>> >Take an example of NEA selling their fiber connectivity to the users.
> They
>> >had built their fiber network in the past for their own use. Now NEA is
>> >selling bandwidth through its fiber to different businesses, and ISPs at
> a
>> >cost, which is cheaper than it costs through VSAT.
>> >
>> >My last point as why we should use the wireless is that it will be a lot
>> >cheaper to buy bandwidth for anybody. I know many of you know that 
>> >buying
>> >bandwidth from VSAT operators is about US$3 per kbps per month. If you
> buy
>> >bandwidth in volume, it will be between$2 and $3. Who can afford to buy
>> >such an expensive bandwidth? Especialy it is beyond the capacity of
>> >smaller businesses. If there is big businesses and organizations, who 
>> >can
>> >afford to use expensive bandwidth, that is fine. I am talking about
> making
>> >cheaper bandwidth to the rural people.
>> >
>> >Morever, Gaurab ji has mentioned that we can save a lots of dollars from
>> >going abroad if we connect all the users in Nepal to NPIX (Nepal 
>> >Internet
>> >Excahnge) system to share the information within Nepal. The idea is that
>> >if we connect all the users in Nepal to the system, the information that
>> >people share within Nepal, don't have to come/go through the satellite.
>> >That way we can save money.
>> >
>> >Let me stop here. We can discuss more on this topic.
>> >
>> >Mahabir
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Dear Mahabir ji,
>> > > Thank you for your contribution. It is a good idea. I want to be more
>> > > clear
>> > > about the information highway using relay tower. Could you please
>> > > elaborate
>> > > it? Thank you for your cooperation.
>> > > With regards,
>> > > Vinaya Kasajoo
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: <mahabir at himanchal.org>
>> > > To: "Discussion List for Nepal's IT/Telecom Policies"
>> > > <itpolicy-np at lahai.com>
>> > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:43 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [Itpolicy-np] Utilization of the RTF Fund
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Hello All;
>> > >>
>> > >> My idea is to build information highway across Nepal by using the 
>> > >> RTD
>> > >> Fund. I have already told my idea to build relay towers. Then the
>> > >> private
>> > >> businesses can use the highway to expand their businesses. If all of
>>you
>> > >> agree with my idea, we can form a strong team and I will lead the
> team.
>> > >> Please let me know what you think.
>> > >>
>> > >> Mahabir
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> Any update on the strong group :)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Pavan
>> > >>>
>> > >>> At 10:30 AM 2/9/2007, Kishor Panth wrote:
>> > >>>>My idea also is like having a strong team of people who can find 
>> > >>>>out
>> > >>>> where
>> > >>>>to strike and get a heavy weight hammer and hit that.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>As it is like the manner you said under whose domain ?? the answer
> is
>> > >>>> that
>> > >>>>the body like NTA and MOIC should be clear in the job definition 
>> > >>>>and
>> > >>>> there
>> > >>>>area of work.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>So in this as Pavan ji said let make a strong group that includes
> all
>> > >>>> the
>> > >>>>related sector and form a team who can carry the hammer and strike
>>hard
>> > >>>> on
>> > >>>>the  point when necessary.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>Kishor
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>On Friday 09 February 2007 10:04, Pavan S Shakya wrote:
>> > >>>> > "Hitting Hammer" where ?
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > If at NTA, they will say MOIC ma kam hundaichha and its beyond
> our
>> > >>>> control.
>> > >>>> > NTA is autonomous body and they cannot pressurize MOIC.
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > If at MOIC, whom shall we meet ? Minister ? Secretary ? Joint
>> > >>>> Secretaries ?
>> > >>>> > Under Secretaries ? Section Officers ?
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > We definitely like to meet only Minister and Secretary so that
>> > >>>> things
>> > >>>> be
>> > >>>> > processed on time. Not be made pancha barsiya yojana (five 
>> > >>>> > years'
>> > >>>> plan).
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > Where is High Level Media Commission Recommendations ?
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > Where is the OLD Telecomm Act which was designed very well ?
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > Where is the RTDF recommendations ?
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > If at HLCIT, ............... ? Do such issues fall under their
>> > >>>> domain
>> > >>>> ?
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > If at Bikas Samiti, it might be another political decision but
>>again
>> > >>>> the
>> > >>>> > ball will be thrown in MOIC court.
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > WHAT IS HAPPENING TO PC-TO-PC COMMUNICATION ? Who is studying 
>> > >>>> > the
>> > >>>> case
>> > >>>> --
>> > >>>> > NTA or MOIC ?
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > AND WE IN THIS FLOOR NEVER KNOW HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE ?
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > MAKE A STRONG TEAM -- ISPAN is ready. ISPAN is ready to visit 
>> > >>>> > NTA
>>or
>> > >>>> MOIC
>> > >>>> > everyday and discuss the solutions and problems, unless and 
>> > >>>> > until
>>we
>> > >>>> come
>> > >>>> > to the conclusion.
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > Is NTA ready to join the team ? Hummm....its a good question :)
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > Who else is committed ?
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > I PROPOSE TO FORM A PRESSURE GROUP which can "really" pressurize
>> > >>>> government
>> > >>>> > on ICT development in Nepal.
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > Pavan
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > At 09:49 AM 2/9/2007, Kishor Panth wrote:
>> > >>>> > >Yes I do agree with you Pavan ji  but the thing is that I think
>> > >>>> that
>> > >>>> we
>> > >>>> > >are not able to hit on the point or we are not hitting that
> point.
>> > >>>> So
>> > >>>> now
>> > >>>> > >I think with the support from the concern people who support 
>> > >>>> > >our
>> > >>>> idea
>> > >>>> we
>> > >>>> > >should make a strong team who can hit the hammer
>> > >>>> > >
>> > >>>> > >Kishor
>> > >>>> > >
>> > >>>> > >On Friday 09 February 2007 09:30, Pavan S Shakya wrote:
>> > >>>> > > > We are fortunate that NTA has manager like Anand Sir who is
>> > >>>> ready
>> > >>>> to
>> > >>>> > > > help us in our endeavour. However, the million dollar
> question
>> > >>>> asked
>> > >>>> > > > and unasked is what alone can he do !! We all talk nicely
> when
>> > >>>> we
>> > >>>> meet
>> > >>>> > > > and meet and meet but in reality, is it happening ?
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > So, we all need to support him and we all know how Nepal's
>> > >>>> bureaucracy
>> > >>>> > > > and political leaders listen to us. If necessary we need to
>>take
>> > >>>> our
>> > >>>> > > > issues out on the street and............
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > Regarding RTDF :
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > 1. If I remember correctly, RTDF Manual has been proposed to
>> > >>>> MOIC
>> > >>>> in
>> > >>>> > > > late 2005 and so far nothing concrete has happened.
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > 2. One of the recommendations they have is to create RTDF
>> > >>>> Management
>> > >>>> > > > Committee.
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > 3. I wonder if RTDF fund can be used as venture capital for
>> > >>>> rural
>> > >>>> > > > telecomm development.
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > 4. Such fund must be given back to the service providers who
> is
>> > >>>> ready
>> > >>>> > > > to go to "real" remote places in Karnali or Mugu or Rolpa or
>> > >>>> > > > Arghakhanchi, where they still do not have road access.
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > 5. If a service provider wants to expand his services to any
>> > >>>> remote
>> > >>>> > > > areas, such organisation must be exempted from paying 2% 
>> > >>>> > > > RTDF
>>in
>> > >>>> order
>> > >>>> > > > to motivate that organisation.
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > 6. Such fund must be given to NGOs and CBOs who delivers
>> > >>>> results.
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > I am sure we all have plenty of ideas to share on this 
>> > >>>> > > > floor.
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > BUT WHAT IS THE RESULT IF GOVERNMENT IS NOT ACTING TIMELY.
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > Pavan
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > At 09:14 AM 2/9/2007, Kishor Panth wrote:
>> > >>>> > > > >Hello all
>> > >>>> > > > >As I have been observing we have been discussing about the
> RTF
>> > >>>> that is
>> > >>>> > > > >there with NTA and I see every one saying that NTA is not
>> > >>>> utilizing
>> > >>>> > > > > that fund. And we have been discussing on how the fund can
> be
>> > >>>> > > > > utilized also but never came up with the concrete ideas on
>> > >>>> these
>> > >>>> > > > > matter. Since Anand ji is there at NTA and is supporting
> our
>> > >>>> ideas on
>> > >>>> > > > > using the fund I would like to request all the list 
>> > >>>> > > > > members
>>to
>> > >>>> come
>> > >>>> > > > > up with the brilliant idea . So that we can provide some
>>place
>> > >>>> where
>> > >>>> > > > > the fund can be utilized.
>> > >>>> > > > >
>> > >>>> > > > >So let start floating the ideas, and since we have lot of
>> > >>>> peoples
>> > >>>> here
>> > >>>> > > > >with the brilliant ideas.
>> > >>>> > > > >
>> > >>>> > > > >Lets keep the list hot  !!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> > >>>> > > > >--
>> > >>>> > > > >-........-
>> > >>>> > > > >kishor at lahai dot com
>> > >>>> > > > >+977-9851053824
>> > >>>> > > > >-.........-
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>> > >>>> > > > Hami Nepali, Hamro Nepal, Jai hos Nepal !
>> > >>>> > > > (we are Nepalese, its our Nepal, Hail to Nepal)
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > Pavan S Shakya
>> > >>>> > > > Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
>> > >>>> > > > President, ISP Association of Nepal
>> > >>>> > > >
>> > >>>> > > > Email : pavan at wlink.com.np
>> > >>>> > > > Phone : +977 1 5523050 Ext. 229
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>> > >>>> >
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>> > >>>> > Hami Nepali, Hamro Nepal, Jai hos Nepal !
>> > >>>> > (we are Nepalese, its our Nepal, Hail to Nepal)
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > Pavan S Shakya
>> > >>>> > Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
>> > >>>> > President, ISP Association of Nepal
>> > >>>> >
>> > >>>> > Email : pavan at wlink.com.np
>> > >>>> > Phone : +977 1 5523050 Ext. 229
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>> > >>> ---------
>> > >>> Hami Nepali, Hamro Nepal, Jai hos Nepal !
>> > >>> (we are Nepalese, its our Nepal, Hail to Nepal)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Pavan S Shakya
>> > >>> Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
>> > >>> President, ISP Association of Nepal
>> > >>>
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>> > >>> Phone : +977 1 5523050 Ext. 229
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>>
>>Pavan S Shakya
>>Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
>>President, ISP Association of Nepal
>>
>>Email : pavan at wlink.com.np
>>Phone : +977 1 5523050 Ext. 229
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>
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