[Itpolicy-np] The Information Highway that I am proposing

[Pavan S Shakya]

I agree with Prasannaji that :

A. we must have alternate route for any communication. Fibre optic looks 
feasible at plains only. However, if we can lay fibre along with 
transmission line of NEA, we can also have backup alternate route. For last 
mile connection, we can always have wireless.

B. This group is strong enough to achieve the goal that we target. We 
simply need to come out of "virtual communication" to table communication 
and discuss the issue with related government bodies and NTA in a group.

ISPAN is ready !!

Pavan

At 07:41 PM 2/11/2007, Prasanna David wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I fully agree with Mahabir ji's idea. Me and my students are ready to do 
>what we can do - if there is anything that we can do - to support 
>implementation of Mahabir ji's idea.
>
>I have one question though - just to get a better understanding. If the 
>east-west fiber optic backbone is there, what would be the cost/benefit of 
>using it as backbone and wireless towers north-south ? (Of course, one 
>disadvantage is that if the fibre backbone fails, then there is no 
>alternate route. Mahabir ji's idea(zig-zag), I hope, can have multiple 
>routes wherever possible).
>
>Regarding "strong group", I see many strong personalities with strong 
>achievements to their credit and strong connections in this group. In my 
>humble opinion, this group is strong enough for any kind of attack. But 
>looks like we just don't have a clear idea where to attack.  Or am I
>mistaken ?
>
>Regards,
>Prasanna David
>
>On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 07:04 -0600, mahabir at himanchal.org wrote:
> > Hello All;
> >
> > Please correct me if I am wrong on what I am saying.
> >
> > The concept of Information Highway is exactly same as building the
> > black-topped motorable highway. Let me explain it in simple way.
> >
> > Mahendra Highway starts from the eastern corner and reaches to the western
> > end of Nepal. Then there are other highways such as Tribhuvan Highway,
> > Prithvi Highway, Arniko Highway, Siddhartha Highway etc, etc. You can say
> > them sub-highways. These highways were built by the government.
> >
> > Then VDCs, DDCs, individuals and others have build many motorable roads
> > according to their needs and budget that are connected to these national
> > highways. Most of these motorable roads were built mostly with the
> > initiative of the villagers.
> >
> > We can apply the same principle to build information highway across the
> > country by using wireless technolgy specially in the mountainous part of
> > Nepal. In the southern part, they are already working on putting fiber.
> > The fiber network can be connected to the wireless network whereever it is
> > possible.
> >
> > Nepal is about 1000 km east to west and about 150 km on average north to
> > south. We can build wireless towers at a distance of 30 km to 40 km in
> > zigzag manner connecting all the district headquaters and business centers
> > of Nepal. My very rough guess is that we will need to build about 150 such
> > towers to cover 70% of Nepal. We can put VSAT in the areas where accessing
> > those areas with wireless towers is impossible. The example of such places
> > are Dolpo, Manang and areas on the other side of the Himalayas.
> >
> > The reason I am talking about using wireless for building information
> > highway is because it is the best and the cheapest way to provide
> > broadband connectivity to the users in the mountainous areas whoever they
> > are. The users can be ISPs, hospitals, schools, colleges, Televisions, FM
> > stations, DDCs, VDCs, businesses and individuals. Anybody can buy
> > bandwidth and use.
> >
> > Take an example of NEA selling their fiber connectivity to the users. They
> > had built their fiber network in the past for their own use. Now NEA is
> > selling bandwidth through its fiber to different businesses, and ISPs at a
> > cost, which is cheaper than it costs through VSAT.
> >
> > My last point as why we should use the wireless is that it will be a lot
> > cheaper to buy bandwidth for anybody. I know many of you know that buying
> > bandwidth from VSAT operators is about US$3 per kbps per month. If you buy
> > bandwidth in volume, it will be between$2 and $3. Who can afford to buy
> > such an expensive bandwidth? Especialy it is beyond the capacity of
> > smaller businesses. If there is big businesses and organizations, who can
> > afford to use expensive bandwidth, that is fine. I am talking about making
> > cheaper bandwidth to the rural people.
> >
> > Morever, Gaurab ji has mentioned that we can save a lots of dollars from
> > going abroad if we connect all the users in Nepal to NPIX (Nepal Internet
> > Excahnge) system to share the information within Nepal. The idea is that
> > if we connect all the users in Nepal to the system, the information that
> > people share within Nepal, don't have to come/go through the satellite.
> > That way we can save money.
> >
> > Let me stop here. We can discuss more on this topic.
> >
> > Mahabir
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Dear Mahabir ji,
> > > Thank you for your contribution. It is a good idea. I want to be more
> > > clear
> > > about the information highway using relay tower. Could you please
> > > elaborate
> > > it? Thank you for your cooperation.
> > > With regards,
> > > Vinaya Kasajoo
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <mahabir at himanchal.org>
> > > To: "Discussion List for Nepal's IT/Telecom Policies"
> > > <itpolicy-np at lahai.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Itpolicy-np] Utilization of the RTF Fund
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hello All;
> > >>
> > >> My idea is to build information highway across Nepal by using the RTD
> > >> Fund. I have already told my idea to build relay towers. Then the
> > >> private
> > >> businesses can use the highway to expand their businesses. If all of you
> > >> agree with my idea, we can form a strong team and I will lead the team.
> > >> Please let me know what you think.
> > >>
> > >> Mahabir
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Any update on the strong group :)
> > >>>
> > >>> Pavan
> > >>>
> > >>> At 10:30 AM 2/9/2007, Kishor Panth wrote:
> > >>>>My idea also is like having a strong team of people who can find out
> > >>>> where
> > >>>>to strike and get a heavy weight hammer and hit that.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>As it is like the manner you said under whose domain ?? the answer is
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>the body like NTA and MOIC should be clear in the job definition and
> > >>>> there
> > >>>>area of work.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>So in this as Pavan ji said let make a strong group that includes all
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>related sector and form a team who can carry the hammer and strike hard
> > >>>> on
> > >>>>the  point when necessary.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Kishor
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>On Friday 09 February 2007 10:04, Pavan S Shakya wrote:
> > >>>> > "Hitting Hammer" where ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > If at NTA, they will say MOIC ma kam hundaichha and its beyond our
> > >>>> control.
> > >>>> > NTA is autonomous body and they cannot pressurize MOIC.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > If at MOIC, whom shall we meet ? Minister ? Secretary ? Joint
> > >>>> Secretaries ?
> > >>>> > Under Secretaries ? Section Officers ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > We definitely like to meet only Minister and Secretary so that
> > >>>> things
> > >>>> be
> > >>>> > processed on time. Not be made pancha barsiya yojana (five years'
> > >>>> plan).
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Where is High Level Media Commission Recommendations ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Where is the OLD Telecomm Act which was designed very well ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Where is the RTDF recommendations ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > If at HLCIT, ............... ? Do such issues fall under their
> > >>>> domain
> > >>>> ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > If at Bikas Samiti, it might be another political decision but again
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> > ball will be thrown in MOIC court.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > WHAT IS HAPPENING TO PC-TO-PC COMMUNICATION ? Who is studying the
> > >>>> case
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> > NTA or MOIC ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > AND WE IN THIS FLOOR NEVER KNOW HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > MAKE A STRONG TEAM -- ISPAN is ready. ISPAN is ready to visit NTA or
> > >>>> MOIC
> > >>>> > everyday and discuss the solutions and problems, unless and until we
> > >>>> come
> > >>>> > to the conclusion.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Is NTA ready to join the team ? Hummm....its a good question :)
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Who else is committed ?
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > I PROPOSE TO FORM A PRESSURE GROUP which can "really" pressurize
> > >>>> government
> > >>>> > on ICT development in Nepal.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Pavan
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > At 09:49 AM 2/9/2007, Kishor Panth wrote:
> > >>>> > >Yes I do agree with you Pavan ji  but the thing is that I think
> > >>>> that
> > >>>> we
> > >>>> > >are not able to hit on the point or we are not hitting that point.
> > >>>> So
> > >>>> now
> > >>>> > >I think with the support from the concern people who support our
> > >>>> idea
> > >>>> we
> > >>>> > >should make a strong team who can hit the hammer
> > >>>> > >
> > >>>> > >Kishor
> > >>>> > >
> > >>>> > >On Friday 09 February 2007 09:30, Pavan S Shakya wrote:
> > >>>> > > > We are fortunate that NTA has manager like Anand Sir who is
> > >>>> ready
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> > > > help us in our endeavour. However, the million dollar question
> > >>>> asked
> > >>>> > > > and unasked is what alone can he do !! We all talk nicely when
> > >>>> we
> > >>>> meet
> > >>>> > > > and meet and meet but in reality, is it happening ?
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > So, we all need to support him and we all know how Nepal's
> > >>>> bureaucracy
> > >>>> > > > and political leaders listen to us. If necessary we need to take
> > >>>> our
> > >>>> > > > issues out on the street and............
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > Regarding RTDF :
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > 1. If I remember correctly, RTDF Manual has been proposed to
> > >>>> MOIC
> > >>>> in
> > >>>> > > > late 2005 and so far nothing concrete has happened.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > 2. One of the recommendations they have is to create RTDF
> > >>>> Management
> > >>>> > > > Committee.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > 3. I wonder if RTDF fund can be used as venture capital for
> > >>>> rural
> > >>>> > > > telecomm development.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > 4. Such fund must be given back to the service providers who is
> > >>>> ready
> > >>>> > > > to go to "real" remote places in Karnali or Mugu or Rolpa or
> > >>>> > > > Arghakhanchi, where they still do not have road access.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > 5. If a service provider wants to expand his services to any
> > >>>> remote
> > >>>> > > > areas, such organisation must be exempted from paying 2% RTDF in
> > >>>> order
> > >>>> > > > to motivate that organisation.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > 6. Such fund must be given to NGOs and CBOs who delivers
> > >>>> results.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > I am sure we all have plenty of ideas to share on this floor.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > BUT WHAT IS THE RESULT IF GOVERNMENT IS NOT ACTING TIMELY.
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > Pavan
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > At 09:14 AM 2/9/2007, Kishor Panth wrote:
> > >>>> > > > >Hello all
> > >>>> > > > >As I have been observing we have been discussing about the RTF
> > >>>> that is
> > >>>> > > > >there with NTA and I see every one saying that NTA is not
> > >>>> utilizing
> > >>>> > > > > that fund. And we have been discussing on how the fund can be
> > >>>> > > > > utilized also but never came up with the concrete ideas on
> > >>>> these
> > >>>> > > > > matter. Since Anand ji is there at NTA and is supporting our
> > >>>> ideas on
> > >>>> > > > > using the fund I would like to request all the list members to
> > >>>> come
> > >>>> > > > > up with the brilliant idea . So that we can provide some place
> > >>>> where
> > >>>> > > > > the fund can be utilized.
> > >>>> > > > >
> > >>>> > > > >So let start floating the ideas, and since we have lot of
> > >>>> peoples
> > >>>> here
> > >>>> > > > >with the brilliant ideas.
> > >>>> > > > >
> > >>>> > > > >Lets keep the list hot  !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > Pavan S Shakya
> > >>>> > > > Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
> > >>>> > > > President, ISP Association of Nepal
> > >>>> > > >
> > >>>> > > > Email : pavan at wlink.com.np
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> > >>>> > Pavan S Shakya
> > >>>> > Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
> > >>>> > President, ISP Association of Nepal
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Pavan S Shakya
Director, Public Relations, WorldLink
President, ISP Association of Nepal

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